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Title: Best 1B Ever


2002NLChamps - May 28, 2006 04:41 AM (GMT)
*Just a note some players up there are more identifiable as outfielders but played a lot of first so they're on here. Too many OF's will be up there in that poll when it comes.

VOTE FOR TWO (Or one)

Lou Gehrig- One of the first great Yankees. Gehrig batted alongside Babe Ruth for the best 1-2 combo possibly ever. Gehrig was known for his 2100 consecutive game played streak and his great eye at the plate. He was also one of the few players to win a triple crown. Unfortunately his career was cut short by Lou Gehrig’s disease but he still was one of the greatest hitters the game has known. A .340 lifetime average and almost 500 home runs are what make him possibly the greatest first baseman of all time.

Stan Musial- Primarily an outfielder, he makes this list because there are way too many great outfielders. In 22 seasons Musial had a .331 lifetime average and 475 home runs, as Gehrig-like as there is. Musial ended his career with 3 World Series titles under his belt with the Cardinals.

Harmon Killebrew- Possibly the greatest hitting Minneasota Twin of all time, Killebrew was the best power hitting first baseman up until Mark McGwire (hate comparing those two but McGwire hit more homers). A good current example of Harmon Killebrew is Adam Dunn. Both hit about 40 home runs/season and have a sky high on base percentage. Killebrew’s only negative is his .250 batting average.

Willie McCovey- The reason that the Gehrig/Ruth combo isn’t necessarily the best in history is because of the Mays/McCovey combination. You could expect a .290 average and a home run total in the high 30’s every season out of McCovey. Willie ended his career with everything but a San Francisco championship.

Willie Stargell- The key player on the “We are family” Pirates. Willie doesn’t stand out in any particular area as a ballplayer but was great all-around. He ended up with 475 home runs and a .280 batting average.

Carl Yastrzemski- “The Yaz.” Another player who was solid in every aspect of the game and even had some speed. Yastrzemski ended his career with a .285 average, 450 home runs and 170 steals for the Red Sox.

Mark McGwire- This A’s/Cardinals slugger had possibly more power than any other first baseman in history and had the home run total to show for it. McGwire hit 583 home runs over the course of his career, including the one season where he shattered Roger Maris’ record of 61. However, McGwire was a very one-dimensional player…12 career SB’s and a .263 lifetime average isn’t anything special.

Albert Pujols- Isn’t it a little early to be comparing Pujols with greats like Gehrig and McCovey? Not when he’s on pace to obliterate their records. In 5 and ¼ seasons, Pujols has hit 244 home runs. His career average is an unheard-of .332! Albert Pujols is a name that will be known for generations to come.

My votes went to Gehrig and McCovey.

RedRuffing15 - May 28, 2006 04:46 AM (GMT)
I voted for Lou and for Harmon

KeepTheFaith - May 28, 2006 05:04 AM (GMT)
Gehrig...

sfgkml - May 28, 2006 05:36 AM (GMT)
My vote went to Pujols.. he's such a great player and will be for years to come.

Carlfan - May 28, 2006 05:36 AM (GMT)
Gehrig and Pujols

Santana - May 28, 2006 05:57 AM (GMT)
Gehrig and Pujols

RastaMongoose74 - May 28, 2006 07:12 PM (GMT)
Wow...

I can't believe there are so many votes for a guy who is only 26 years old. Albert Pujols is a great, great, GREAT player, but I just can't see any justification in putting him above guys in the ranks of Gehrig, Musial, McCovey, and Killebrew.

I just don't see it.

My vote went to Gehrig. Playing for years in the best lineup of all time was certainly beneficial, but this guy's RBI numbers are absolutely insane. Before Hack Wilson's monstrous season in I believe 1930(?, that could definitely be wrong) Gehrig owned a listful of RBI records. Numbers like 175 and 184 were popping up in that column.

A second vote would go to Musial. Stan "The Man" was a great defensive player, and is perhaps the most underrated hitter of all-time. Most people would be completely suprised by his numbers...

3,630 hits, .331 lifetime BA, 1949 runs, 1951 RBI...

But perhaps the best thing about Musial was his efficiency as a hitter. He hit over .350 five times, .360 twice, and a career high of .376 with 475 home runs...

and his career high strikeout total was 46 - one of only 3 times in 22 seasons he registered over 40.

BaseballKnowledge - May 28, 2006 09:17 PM (GMT)
How could you forget Jimmie Foxx? Just another example of how Jimmie Foxx is one of the most underrated players of all time.

TheBabe714 - May 29, 2006 02:55 PM (GMT)
I went with Musial and Gehrig. Gehrig's career was cut short by his disease. Musial is just great.

BaseballKnowledge - May 30, 2006 09:20 PM (GMT)
No one on there is in the Gehrig category, it's an insult people compare Pujols with Gehrig, he dominated in a pitcher dominant era. Him and Ruth.

BigPapi06 - May 30, 2006 10:23 PM (GMT)
Gehrig

RastaMongoose74 - June 1, 2006 03:04 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (BaseballKnowledge @ May 30 2006, 04:20 PM)
No one on there is in the Gehrig category, it's an insult people compare Pujols with Gehrig, he dominated in a pitcher dominant era. Him and Ruth.

As I've continued to read more on this site, I see that you continue to overrate Gehrig tremendously.

All you post about are his great team dependent stats. Sure, the guy is a top 15 all-time player, perhaps top 10, but you can't say that because he posted 170+ RBI's several times over makes him one of the top 3 hitters ever.

He hit behind a guy who was posting OBP's over .500. Gehrig's primary job in that situation was to NOT strike out, which he did. Sure, he's a great, great player, but take a look at everything, not just his RBI's. Also, start looking more into eras. He was hitting .340-.350, great numbers of course, but I think you'd be suprised at how many other guys you've never heard of were posting the same stats. Where Gehrig really stood out as a top ten guy, rather than simply a great, great player were the team dependent stats that came naturally with hitting behind the likes of Babe Ruth...

Also, as far as being an era dominated by pitching, my only response to that is to once again mention doing a little more research on different eras. The early 1920's were the end of the dead ball era. Team owners and MLB officials were beginning to see how Babe Ruth was affecting attendance, and the game became as juiced as it would ever be until the term took on an entirely new meaning in the early 21st century...

Look at the numbers...and not just Gehrig's.

NateFizzle - June 1, 2006 01:25 PM (GMT)
Right now Geherig, but I think Pujols will be better when he's done.

Yankee King - June 2, 2006 12:37 PM (GMT)
Gherig, Pujols and I really like Todd Helton.

ecksteinfan - June 3, 2006 12:22 AM (GMT)
Pujols is great, but it is still to early to consider him one of the best of all-time already. I vote Lou Gerigh and Carl Yastrzemski, who I think people forget how dominante he was. He won the Triple Crown guys, and he was underrated on defense.

KingOfDaBraves - June 6, 2006 03:41 PM (GMT)
Pujols- A future record breaker for years to come.

Rays125 - June 6, 2006 11:52 PM (GMT)
I think this one has to be Gherig!




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