just read it. thats fantastic. what a great deal for everyone but the pitrates basically

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3513383

seriously though is it just me or do the Pirates rebuild EVERY YEAR. like they get good prospects abd they all go to shit in that system. if you ask me boston got the best deal out of this

Dodgers made out like kings in this deal. Manny got what he wanted. Red Sox gave up prospects in this deal....paid manny's salary and of course gave up manny. I think they drew the small stick in this deal.

I viewed giving up manny as a positive. he just wouldve been a negative the rest of the year on the team. true the dodgers didnt give up much. the pirates got decent prospects.

Eh. I'm as happy as I could be right after my favorite player ever leaves my favorite team.

Bay is awesome. The Sox have traded Manny and not really lost any value in left. Hansen and Moss are nice, but very expendable, and I'm ok with this. If money was too big of an issue, I'd be pretty upset about the cash we're eating, but that's the beauty of liking a team that spends money.

Good deal for everyone involved.

Jason being Jason doesn't have the same ring to it.

Red Sox are fucking stupid for this, They really didn't upgrade THAT much in this deal, and they gave up specs. They just felt like they needed to trade him because of his personallity. I don't agree with that.

Jason Bay lucked out tho.

So...


Dodgers give: Andy LaRoche, Bryan Morris
Dodgers get: Manny Ramirez

Red Sox give: Manny Ramirez, Craig Hansen, Brandon Moss, cash
Red Sox get: Jason Bay

Pirates give: Jason Bay
Pirates get: Andy LaRoche, Bryan Morris, Craig Hansen, Brandon Moss


Based upon value, Pirates won, Dodgers stayed the same, Red Sox lost. But considering the abundance of 3B prospects the Pirates have, it's kinda hard to really consider them winners.

The Pirates actually got some value in the past 2 trades. Traded Nady, Marte, and Bay for: D McCutchen, Tabata, Ohlendwarf, Karstens, LaRoche, Morris, Hansen, and Moss. I'm not sold on Moss or Hansen and I haven't heard much of Morris. Karstens is a AAAA player and Ohlendorf needs to develop secondary pitches. Tabata has upside but has a lot of problems off the field (also more suspensions than homeruns).

I think it was cooler when bay was a red sock

The Soxs did what they needed to do in getting rid of Manny. Now the question is whether or not Bay can deal with the presure of "Filling" Mannys shoes and protecting Papi.


At least the Pirates vaule for Bay.

Manny give the Dodgers the bat they have need the past couple of seasons and should make them the favorites to win the West.

theo did good for the circumstances, EVERYONE in the league knew that we were desperate to get rid of manny and he wouldnt try for the rest of the year with us, and theo still managed to get a very good player out of the deal, very good trade.

Jason Bay is a nice player, but you're talking about one of the greatest, and one of the biggest clutch performers of our generation...Jason Bay is a total step down..and the Sox are paying Manny to go away.

Sounds like a very good deal for Boston.

Manny's 36 years old...Bay is 29....

Manny being one of the greatest hitters of our generation is a true statement, but irrelevant, because he's past his prime.

Idk, I guess. I mean, Manny was having a down year and was still hittin .300 with 20 hr's...and that was with him also just not being happy and all this other shit going on...so idk if it's manny being aging, or he just was really getting pissed at the red sox and therefore his lack of production was a bit down.

but still, I hope u red sox fans appreciate what you got with manny. I know as a yankee fan I won't miss him. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Iuno, I really think Manny could keep going for a while. It's not like he has a physically intensive life. He plays baseball, and when he's actually in the field he barely pushes himself past a jog.

Bullshit! What was wrong with Tucker and Hermida if thats what the dodgers ened up giving the Pirates. This is why I hate the fucking trade deadline.

According to Gammons you guys wouldn't give up Tucker and wanted 9 mil instead of the 7 mil Manny is owed.

Screw them all anyway. I was pretty sure we were ok giving up Tucker since he was in the discussion basically the whole way through and I don't get us wanting the extra 2 mil. Fucking Dodgers had to get involved though.

umm, could you please rephrase that?

its not too difficult to decipher

I want to be apart of the grammar police too :P.

The american league is having a huge rave right now that Manny is no longer there

LOL Andy Laroche moves. Finally haha

What I take away from this is a good trade for Pittsburgh. Especially better than the Brignac and Neimann garbage I heard earlier. They get a good 3B and this shows they have given up on Walker. I like Brandon Moss and he can be a quality OF with McLouth, and soon McCutchen for their future OF. Hansen could pan out to be a good RP.

Dodgers get Manny and its a good acquisation, but Manny's poor range will be magnified in Dodger Stadium.

Red Sox made out well to get Bay.

AQctually Bay's numbers are the same as Manny's, plus Bay is younger. I don't think we lost much in the trade, if anything.

It's not about Bay equalling Manny. You guys gave up stuff additionally. You guys upgraded a little bit, but not enough to warrant trading cash and specs along with it.

Moss has no place on our team and Hansen had his opportunity here and did nothing really...they were expendable to get a deal done.

a post from another forum that I think addresses the situation pretty fairly.

I like the deal. Besides the fact that Manny is no longer in Boston, but they got back a great player in Jason Bay. He's having a great bounce back year and should be a good bat in the Boston Line-up

Manny gives the Dodgers the bat they have needed the past couple of seasons. He should make them the favorites to win the West.

Now in Olde English.

Are you guys serious. The Red Sox and Pirates are the winners in this one. The Pirate continue to build a strong foundation for their future and the Sox get a power hitting outfielder for cheap to replace Ramirez's production. The Dodgers get a problem child, horrible defending, and highly paid aging Ramirez.

I don't see how you can anyone can say that the Dodgers are the winners and the Pirates aren't.

lmfao!

efm, Bay is good but nowhere near Ramirez. The Pirates basically got 4 prospects for trading Bay alone. The Redsox traded Ramirez, Moss, Hansen, and 7 mil for Bay in essence.

Lol @ Bay being nowhere near Ramirez, are you serious with that statement?

You Fail

impact wise. pitchers are more afraid of Ramirez than Bay. Manny is one of the most intimidating hitters in the game. Bay isn't.

Ahh the cliche ESPN argument. I really don't care if Bay is intimidating or not if he's putting up those kind of numbers. In fact, I'd rather him not be intimidating so he can see better pitches to hit.

You'd also have to think that the trade is taking away at bats for Ortiz which also plays an impact. An Ortiz/Manny duo is much more scary than an Ortiz/Bay duo. Bay isn't terrible, I'm not saying he's one of the worst nor am I saying he's mediocre. He's a good ball player but the fact that him taking away at bats from Ortiz is something.

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How does he take at bats away from Ortiz? They're not going to be intentionally walking Ortiz with Bay hitting behind him.

Manny Ramirez moves to a pitchers park...Jason Bay moves to a HR suppressing Hitters park, with zero OF foul ground. I think it is pretty safe to say Bay has a great chance of putting up better numbers than Ramirez.

And no one has talked about this yet, but what awkward phone call for Theo to make to Manny, once he was traded.

ALSO! The BoSox save their pithcers like 15 runs over the course of the second half now.

Ok I just typed a huge post and accidentally deleted it so I'll resummarize quickly.

Manny is going to outperform Bay on offense for the rest of 2008 and 2009, and by a fair margin. Manny sleep walked to a .900 OPS this year, that's a career year for Bay.

Bay is going from a pitchers park to a hitters park, true, but the quality of pitchers in the AL East are exponentially better than the quality of pitchers in the NL Central. There's going to be an ugly adjustment period, kind of like what JD Drew went through all of last year.

Manny can hit whenever he wants to. Lets see what he does in September when the DOdgers are fighitng for a playoff spot and that playoff pay check is on the line.