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TheHugeUnit - July 24, 2008 04:40 PM (GMT)
The whispers just won't go away. Halladay is apparently unhappy in Toronto and has let management know it, and management has apparently responded by doing some quiet surveying of teams (such as St. Louis and the Dodgers) that are far, far away from the AL East in an effort to see what it could get for the 2003 Cy Young Award winner. Apparently, the returns other teams are getting for top-talent pitchers such as C.C. Sabathia, Rich Harden and Erik Bedard has inspired the Blue Jays to at least find out what it could get for one of the best pitchers in the American League. It remains unlikely that they'd deal him, but you never know.

Key Stat: Halladay has pitched 33 complete games since the start of the 2003 season. There are only eight other active major-league pitchers who have more than 33 in their careers.


http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2008/0...rket_for_a.html

Halladay to the Dodgers or Cards? Wonder what the Cards would/could give up for him?

YankeeNation - July 24, 2008 04:43 PM (GMT)
Hahaha. If the Jays give up Halladay, they are giving up winning for the next few years. I LOVE Halladay, Jays are retarded if they shop him.

TheHugeUnit - July 24, 2008 04:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (YankeeNation @ Jul 24 2008, 12:43 PM)
Hahaha. If the Jays give up Halladay, they are giving up winning for the next few years. I LOVE Halladay, Jays are retarded if they shop him.

Yeah Halladay is one of the best pitchers in the game, those don't grow on trees but they could get a haul like Kemp, LaRoche and Withrow from the Dodgers for him or Rasmus, Reyes and Perez from the Cards.

YankeeNation - July 24, 2008 04:50 PM (GMT)
I'd still keep him. Shopping Burnett is one thing, but not Halladay. Yeah, you can get a lot for him, but it is really worth losing a guy who has more CG's then most teams? And its not like they are 8 IP 4 Run Losses, they are 9 IP 1 Run 122 Pitches. He's arguably the best pitcher in Baseball.

jaysdude09 - July 25, 2008 04:40 AM (GMT)
Lol we are not trading Halladay. There's a ZERO chance of that happening....Doc will finish his career as a Jay.

hankaaron44 - July 25, 2008 04:41 AM (GMT)
If Halladay's going to be traded, you'd have to offer the Blue Jays like 4 Class A sure fire prospects. No team would do that which means Halladay's staying put.

win2day - July 25, 2008 04:44 AM (GMT)
Honestly why WOULDN'T you trade him? His value can't be any higher. This team isn't going anywhere this year, and is iffy for next year as well.

I'd trade Halladay, get basically 2 top flight prospects, 1 good prospect (because he has an undervalued contract for 2 years) and rebuild that way. He'd get you more than what Cleveland got for CC or what the A's got for Harden.

I'd trade Halladay, I'd trade Ryan (he'd instantly become the best lefty RP out there on the market), I'd trade Burnett.

McGowan, Marcum, Litsch, Purcey, and whoever for the rotation next year, and a decent farm system.

NateFizzle - July 25, 2008 04:49 AM (GMT)
Trading Halladay would be a pretty bad idea. I'd be pissed off if my team traded a Halladay type pitcher. (which doesn't exist in today's game anymore) It would be interesting to see what prospects he could net, but prospects aren't guaranteed stars.

jaysdude09 - July 25, 2008 04:51 AM (GMT)
The Dodgers are the best team I can think of whom I trade Halladay for. If I did that, I want LaRoche, Kershaw, Kemp, and Broxton all coming back to me. Then I'd trade BJ for a SS. a good SS. I'm thinking Yunel?

Then Burnett+Lind goes for Max Scherzer.

. And have McGowan, Marcum, Kershaw, Scherzer, and Litsch as our starting 5. Broxton as the closer.

C Arenciba
1B Cooper
2B Hill
3B LaRoche
SS Yunel
LF Kemp
CF Wells
RF Rios
DH Snider


Fuck you this will happen.

hankaaron44 - July 25, 2008 04:58 AM (GMT)
I was listening to J.P. on Wednesday and he sounded like he wasn't to looking to make a move yet he wanted to pretty much say that this recent streak is just a flash in the pan.

win2day - July 25, 2008 05:04 AM (GMT)
They won't do a LaRoche, Kemp, Kershaw, Broxton deal at all.

They could do Kershaw, Laroche, and Mealoan type deal, and if they did that, I'd run with it.

For SS, I'm not sure Atlanta is desperate for a closer, but the Brewers are, although I'm not as high on Alicides. I'm not sure the Brewers would do it, but Gamel is a nice hitting prospect, but he really sucks on defense, I mean really sucks. So he'd be more of a DH type guy. But I don't think they'd do Gamel, now that LaPorta is gone.


TheHugeUnit - July 25, 2008 05:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (win2day @ Jul 25 2008, 01:04 AM)
They won't do a LaRoche, Kemp, Kershaw, Broxton deal at all.

They could do Kershaw, Laroche, and Mealoan type deal, and if they did that, I'd run with it.

For SS, I'm not sure Atlanta is desperate for a closer, but the Brewers are, although I'm not as high on Alicides. I'm not sure the Brewers would do it, but Gamel is a nice hitting prospect, but he really sucks on defense, I mean really sucks. So he'd be more of a DH type guy. But I don't think they'd do Gamel, now that LaPorta is gone.

Considering Billingsley, Broxton and Kershaw are untouchables, yes.

jaysdude09 - July 25, 2008 07:25 AM (GMT)
I was kinda throwing out some pipe dreams in my post if you guys didn't catch that.

I think Gamel is overrated. His bat is not good enough to afford to keep him on the field. I mean, he's worse than Ryan Braun defensively. You didn't misread that last part. Worse than Ryan Braun defensively.

jaysdude09 - July 25, 2008 07:26 AM (GMT)
Atlanta could use some pen help because Soriano can't stay healty and Gonzalez is the only other guy they have.

win2day - July 25, 2008 07:35 AM (GMT)
Oh these are all pipe dreams, because JP ain't trading anything for rebuilding. Rebiulding means JP is fired. He'll go out this offseason, and try to lure someone and go for it next year.

jaysdude09 - July 25, 2008 07:42 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (win2day @ Jul 25 2008, 03:35 AM)
Oh these are all pipe dreams, because JP ain't trading anything for rebuilding.  Rebiulding means JP is fired.  He'll go out this offseason, and try to lure someone and go for it next year.

I know he's not going to trade the main guys, but I see Burnett going. And look how JP drafted around all the positions:

SS, 3B, and C in 2007, now a 1B this year.

http://diehardbaseball.net/index.php?showtopic=27482

steveox - July 25, 2008 07:45 AM (GMT)
I hope McPhail trades Brian Roberts to Jays for Roy Halladay. O's need pitching

Rockshu - July 25, 2008 08:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (steveox @ Jul 25 2008, 02:45 AM)
I hope McPhail trades Brian Roberts to Jays for Roy Halladay. O's need pitching

>_>

I would never consider trading Roy unless he specifically asked out. He's done so much for this team and this city, he's pretty much a god in Blue Jays fans' eyes. If he wants to win a title in his prime, and he doesn't think he can do it here, I would respect his wishes. With all the undervalued contracts and community work he's done over the years, he's earned the right to request a trade if he wants one.

YankeeNation - July 25, 2008 12:59 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (steveox @ Jul 25 2008, 03:45 AM)
I hope McPhail trades Brian Roberts to Jays for Roy Halladay. O's need pitching

Plus the Jays aren't retarded enough to trade within there own division. If anything, they'd send him to the NL.

Tribe No 1 Fan - July 25, 2008 03:14 PM (GMT)
I'm pretty sure JP said something like Halladay isn't unhappy with Toronto, and they're actually thinking of sitting down and talking about an extension.

nath87 - July 26, 2008 12:22 PM (GMT)
lol Halladay has repeatitly said that he is a blue jay and wants to see this team go to the world series. this is just ridiculous




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