What a trade the brewers made.The Brewers got more of a bargan than Cleveland got.

They better enjoy it while it lasts.

Cy Young

How good would the Brewers be if they resigned him....

Sabathia-Gallardo-Parra? With Braun, Fielder, Hart, etc.? Good god

C.C. Sabathia
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Josh Beckett
Tim Wakefield
John Lester/Clay Buchholz

He's amazing. I think he'll propel the Brewers into the play-offs

Wow, if he was gonna fucking pitch like this, where the hell was Brian Cashman? I'd give up Hughes, Tabata, Kennedy, and just about our entire farm system for him to be honest with ya.

I don't think CC will see the AL until next June for Interleague. He loves to hit and loves the NL to much. I think he'll sign with the Dodgers, since he's expressed interest in them.

He'll suck in a couple of years. He's out of shape. Can't continue to play baseball like that.

On top of it, he wears his hat sideways.

Disrespectful punk.

Yep

D-Train?

THU is gonna come in and be all like "No Hughes is an ace in the making, and no way we give up Tabata. I guess we could've done Kennedy and Melky for him"

I doubt that. He's a g. He'll retain his stuff.

People out of shape can't play baseball for an extended amount of time. Or any sport for that matter...and he's just a douchebag, not a "G".

*cough* David Wells *cough*

I dont see him leaving the NL.

Shenanigans.

EDIT: Oops, disregard this. I totally forgot the new rule where pitchers over 6'4 in the National League have to do 15 jumping jacks and a spinarooni after every pitch. I was thinking all he has to do is throw a ball like 17 times every 15 minutes or so.

RE: EDIT: Oops, again. He doesn't have to do that, because that would be stupid. Instead, he just has to throw a ball like 17 times every 15 minutes or so. Fat is a corrosive acid found in spider venom though, and I heard all pesky fat cells do love to disperse from common areas of storage like the stomach, thighs, or male funbags into shoulder ligaments. And that often leads the top cause of death for overweight baseball players over 28 years of age, in which the inflicted person appears as if they are wearing classic Legion of Doom shoulder pads under their skin with spikes made of hardened lard. Actually that's not true either, but it would be cool. And C.C. will probably be good for a long time.

If you're too short, your arm falls off in the middle of your career. If your too fat, you fat it up so hard that you can no longer walk to the mound. I think Randy Johnson is the only body type that is acceptable.

No. Even Randy is too tall. That often brings about the growth of scales and a prehensile tail. RJ has just been lucky.

Mordecai "Three-Finger" Brown had the only acceptable physical form for a truly great ML pitcher.

Babe Ruth is the ONE exception to this. Even Babe, though, hit. That's about it. He wasn't known for his fielding, and he had some injury trouble too. He was a decent pitcher too, but that was to begin his career...he was fairly young.

I don't really know how to respond to the rest of your post. It's...idk.

Yeah, he was the guy I thought about.

C.C.'s been sick ever since the trade. Contributing not only with his arm but with the bat a bit as well. I also believe there's a good chance he'd pursue the Dodgers, it's so close to home for him, and he'd still get to hit.

I'd take a big fat dude over a short skinny dude if we're talking career longevity. Fat dudes can always lose weight if their career is going downhill, short skinny dudes can't grow 3 inches to add some miles to their fastball.

I wouldn't want either. But a fat guy can lose weight. A skinny guy can work out and gain muscle mass. What I'm saying is, if CC stays at his current weight, I don't think he'll be able to keep it up.

he's from the Valley Joe, it's not that close to LA.

As people have stated, CC is not out of shape. Those types of pitchers will stay in the elite area longer than a small power pitcher.

He may like donuts but his arm has enough muscle to throw in the mid 90's all day long so I don't care what the scale says.

Yeah, seriously. That's so disrespectful of the game.

And if we throw 140 million at him, he'll be liking the American League a hell of a lot more than the National league.

Lester>Clay. Easily

I dunno. Lester has like, transformed in a monster since about two weeks after that no-hitter, but looking at the larger body of work, Buchholz cleary projects a lot better. PECOTA's seven year forecasts actually show Clay being twice as valuable as Lester moving forward. Who knows, though? If Lester keeps this up, it'll be close. Either way, they'll be set when Wakefield finally kicks the bucket. (<3 Timmy)

That would be neat, but like, it's totally 100% made-up falseness.

1.) A TON of players (literally) have been successful despite not being built like Greek gods. Bill James commented in his Historical Baseball Abstract that it was shocking to see that so many incredible baseball players have had short, dumpy, totally non-athletic bodies. Sabathia doesn't even fit that mold anyway, he's tall and extremely athletic. He's big in a few places where he maybe shouldn't be, but having a big butt isn't going to destroy his elbow. Even guys that were blessed with the bodies didn't do much to take care of them. Behind like 1 out of ever 1.5 HoF'ers is some crazy legendary tale about enough alcohol consumption to kill a horse.

2.) I like the reference to Ruth's injury troubles, while a simple 12 second check on BP can tell you that they didn't exist at all. There were like three seasons before his age 36 year that he played in less than 130 games, and those included the time he was suspended for playing in barnstorming leagues and the year he decided he wanted to take a break and faked a bellyache for like three months. He was one of the most durable players in the league throughout his career. Again, another simple BP check also shows that the assumption that he wasn't a good defensive player is baseless and totally incorrect. His RATE2 is over 100 at all three outfield positions. He was amazing at both corner spots, posting stuff like 17 RAA spending half of the 1923 season in right, and 14 RAA playing the other half in left. That's unmotherhumpingbelievable. The guy had MVP caliber seasons until he was 39 years old.

3.) History tells us that smaller, more compact pitchers are like eleventeen times more prone to injury/regression at a younger age than guys built like Sabathia.

Bill?

Well in the future Clay might turn out better, but Lester took the time this year and became dominant. Injuries and more will get Clay starts next year and he can become dominant. I take the dominant>developing next year.

I'm no Bill.

I tend to like current production a little more than relying on potential as well (probably because I'm a fan of a team with a large enough budget to do so), but an argument can be made that Buchholz is already performing on par with Lester this season. Park adjustments aren't flawless by any means, but when applied to Lester's numbers, the difference between the two this year is pretty minimal.

On the subject of CC being big, coincidently the Onion had an article on it Thursday.

I bolded the Onion's analysis on the trade for Ray Durham as my favorite part.

I heard the Red Sox tinker and change his delivery for better control. I saw him pitch, and his change doesn't even look like a plus plus anymore, and his curve was alright.