Title: First Half Awards
Bo_ - July 20, 2008 11:54 PM (GMT)
wtf, we didn't have a first half awards thread?
AL
MVP
Josh Hamilton
Cy Young
Cliff Lee
Rookie
Evan Longoria
Manager
Ozzie Guillen
NL
MVP
Chase Ultey
Cy Young
Dan Haren
Manager
...Piniella?
Rookie
Soto
TheHugeUnit - July 21, 2008 12:00 AM (GMT)
MVP-Hammy
CYer- MO
Rookie-Longo
MVP-Utley
CYer- Webs
Rookie-soto'
Papelmate - July 21, 2008 12:03 AM (GMT)
MVP-Drew
CYer- Lee
Rookie-Longoria
MVP-Berkman
CYer-Haren
Rookie-Parra
jaysdude09 - July 21, 2008 12:21 AM (GMT)
AL
MVP: Hamilton
Cy: Halladay
ROY: Longoria
NL
MVP: Berkman
Cy: Volquez
ROY: Soto
webgem924 - July 21, 2008 12:33 AM (GMT)
AL MVP: Hamilton
AL Cy Young: Mariano
AL ROY: Longoria
NL MVP: Utley
NL Cy Young: Volquez
NL ROY: Soto
Tribe No 1 Fan - July 21, 2008 12:34 AM (GMT)
AL:
MVP: Josh Hamilton
CY: Cliff Lee
ROY: Longoria
NL:
MVP: Lance Berkman
CY: Edison Volquez
ROY: Giovanny Soto
jaysdude09 - July 21, 2008 12:46 AM (GMT)
People who have Mo as the Cy Young winner, Roy Halladay has pitched 9 inning saves 6-7 times this year.
TheHugeUnit - July 21, 2008 01:10 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (jaysdude09 @ Jul 20 2008, 08:46 PM) |
| People who have Mo as the Cy Young winner, Roy Halladay has pitched 9 inning saves 6-7 times this year. |
If mo finishes the year with an ERA under 1, I can't fathom a world where he wouldn't get it, unless somoene gets 20 wins or more.
KeepTheFaith - July 21, 2008 01:26 AM (GMT)
TheHugeUnit - July 21, 2008 02:11 AM (GMT)
Not as bad as Drew over Hamilton.
jaysdude09 - July 21, 2008 02:17 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (TheHugeUnit @ Jul 20 2008, 09:10 PM) |
| If mo finishes the year with an ERA under 1, I can't fathom a world where he wouldn't get it, unless somoene gets 20 wins or more. |
Unless a closer pitches like 80+ innings, and is perfect with like 65-70 saves and has like an ERA of 0.52 with other dominant numbers and there isn't a clearcut Cy Young winner in the league, then I'd give it to the reliever.
Papelmate - July 21, 2008 02:55 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (TheHugeUnit @ Jul 20 2008, 09:11 PM) |
| Not as bad as Drew over Hamilton. |
not in line to make the playoffs means no MVP for me and JD has the higher OPS anyway
Rockshu - July 21, 2008 03:18 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (jaysdude09 @ Jul 20 2008, 09:17 PM) |
| Unless a closer pitches like 80+ innings, and is perfect with like 65-70 saves and has like an ERA of 0.52 with other dominant numbers and there isn't a clearcut Cy Young winner in the league, then I'd give it to the reliever. |
Eric Gagne was like 55-for-55 with disgusting splits and he won the Cy Young. If you're a closer and you're not over like 95% conversions, you don't deserve to be mentioned in Cy Young talks.
At this point it's Lee or Halladay in the AL imo.
TheHugeUnit - July 21, 2008 03:34 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Rockshu @ Jul 20 2008, 11:18 PM) |
Eric Gagne was like 55-for-55 with disgusting splits and he won the Cy Young. If you're a closer and you're not over like 95% conversions, you don't deserve to be mentioned in Cy Young talks. |
Mo's perfect in saves, if Joe stopped using him in NSO he'd have literally unhuman numbers.
Rockshu - July 21, 2008 03:45 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (TheHugeUnit @ Jul 20 2008, 10:34 PM) |
| QUOTE (Rockshu @ Jul 20 2008, 11:18 PM) | Eric Gagne was like 55-for-55 with disgusting splits and he won the Cy Young. If you're a closer and you're not over like 95% conversions, you don't deserve to be mentioned in Cy Young talks. |
Mo's perfect in saves, if Joe stopped using him in NSO he'd have literally unhuman numbers.
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If he gets to 40 perfect saves and keeps these splits I'd give it to him, but I doubt that happens.
Marlinschamps03 - July 21, 2008 05:07 AM (GMT)
AL:
MVP: Josh Hamilton
Cy Young: Roy Halladay
ROY: Evan Longoria
NL:
MVP: Hanley Ramirez
Cy Young: Edison Volquez
ROY: Geovany Soto
jaysdude09 - July 21, 2008 05:20 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Rockshu @ Jul 20 2008, 11:18 PM) |
Eric Gagne was like 55-for-55 with disgusting splits and he won the Cy Young. If you're a closer and you're not over like 95% conversions, you don't deserve to be mentioned in Cy Young talks.
At this point it's Lee or Halladay in the AL imo. |
And I'm pretty sure(feel frree to correct me I may happen to be somewhat wrong about this statement that I'm going to make after I stop typing this)......
But there wasn't really any great starters in 2003 to deserve a Cy anyhow.
NateFizzle - July 21, 2008 05:21 AM (GMT)
If Mo gets in the Cy Young talk so will K-Rod, who will probably have at least 60 saves.
terrorist of sports - July 21, 2008 03:52 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (jaysdude09 @ Jul 21 2008, 01:20 AM) |
| QUOTE (Rockshu @ Jul 20 2008, 11:18 PM) | Eric Gagne was like 55-for-55 with disgusting splits and he won the Cy Young. If you're a closer and you're not over like 95% conversions, you don't deserve to be mentioned in Cy Young talks.
At this point it's Lee or Halladay in the AL imo. |
And I'm pretty sure(feel frree to correct me I may happen to be somewhat wrong about this statement that I'm going to make after I stop typing this)......
But there wasn't really any great starters in 2003 to deserve a Cy anyhow.
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4 starters with 17+ wins
2 of which were top 3 in era
and 2 of which were top 5 in K;s.
Prior and Schmidt were the only 2 in all 3 categoies.
KeepTheFaith - July 21, 2008 03:57 PM (GMT)
Papelbon wasn't even in Cy Young discussions after his 2006 performance. (.92 ERA) There's no way Mo should get one.
Bo_ - July 21, 2008 04:04 PM (GMT)
I'd only give it to a reliever if they pitched over 100 innings and had an ERA under 1, with other dominant K numbers. And there's no deserving starter. I don't care what role it is either, it could even be a set up man, saves are retarded.
hankaaron44 - July 21, 2008 04:29 PM (GMT)
AL:
MVP: Josh Hamilton
CY: Roy Halladay
ROY: Evan Longoria
NL:
MVP: Lance Berkman
CY: Edison Volquez
ROY: Giovanny Soto
Rockshu - July 21, 2008 06:24 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Bo_ @ Jul 21 2008, 11:04 AM) |
| I'd only give it to a reliever if they pitched over 100 innings and had an ERA under 1, with other dominant K numbers. And there's no deserving starter. I don't care what role it is either, it could even be a set up man, saves are retarded. |
Yeah I agree, the Cy Young should always go to a starter unless there is ridiculous circumstances.
Oh, and K-Rod getting mentioned for Cy Young because he might get 60 saves is laughable. Have you seen his peripheral stats? They're pretty bad. You shouldn't be given an award because your team wins like 70 close games and close 60 of them.
NHOI - July 22, 2008 05:55 AM (GMT)
3 pages pass and all I can gather from this thread is the collective cock sucking of halladay, mo and cliff lee when none of them are as deserving up to this point as justin duchscherer. his ERA clearly won't stay under 2 but if the thread is to appoint awards based on the first half of the season then I don't see how you could pick anyone else
oh and for the notion that mo should win cy young...hilarious stuff THU. he wouldn't even grace your top 10 if he was wearing something other than those pinstripes and that pretty NYY cap.
Rockshu - July 22, 2008 08:47 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (NHOI @ Jul 22 2008, 12:55 AM) |
3 pages pass and all I can gather from this thread is the collective cock sucking of halladay, mo and cliff lee when none of them are as deserving up to this point as justin duchscherer. his ERA clearly won't stay under 2 but if the thread is to appoint awards based on the first half of the season then I don't see how you could pick anyone else
oh and for the notion that mo should win cy young...hilarious stuff THU. he wouldn't even grace your top 10 if he was wearing something other than those pinstripes and that pretty NYY cap. |
no dead people in sigs imo
NHOI - July 22, 2008 03:13 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Rockshu @ Jul 22 2008, 04:47 AM) |
| QUOTE (NHOI @ Jul 22 2008, 12:55 AM) | 3 pages pass and all I can gather from this thread is the collective cock sucking of halladay, mo and cliff lee when none of them are as deserving up to this point as justin duchscherer. his ERA clearly won't stay under 2 but if the thread is to appoint awards based on the first half of the season then I don't see how you could pick anyone else
oh and for the notion that mo should win cy young...hilarious stuff THU. he wouldn't even grace your top 10 if he was wearing something other than those pinstripes and that pretty NYY cap. |
no dead people in sigs imo
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see the movie and not only will you want to place him in every sig possible you will be getting his face tattooed onto your ass.
his joker is legendary
TheHugeUnit - July 22, 2008 03:21 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (NHOI @ Jul 22 2008, 01:55 AM) |
| oh and for the notion that mo should win cy young...hilarious stuff THU. he wouldn't even grace your top 10 if he was wearing something other than those pinstripes and that pretty NYY cap. |
Undoubtedly the best pitcher in the game right now.
Bloss - July 22, 2008 03:24 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (NHOI @ Jul 22 2008, 11:13 AM) |
| QUOTE (Rockshu @ Jul 22 2008, 04:47 AM) | | QUOTE (NHOI @ Jul 22 2008, 12:55 AM) | 3 pages pass and all I can gather from this thread is the collective cock sucking of halladay, mo and cliff lee when none of them are as deserving up to this point as justin duchscherer. his ERA clearly won't stay under 2 but if the thread is to appoint awards based on the first half of the season then I don't see how you could pick anyone else
oh and for the notion that mo should win cy young...hilarious stuff THU. he wouldn't even grace your top 10 if he was wearing something other than those pinstripes and that pretty NYY cap. |
no dead people in sigs imo
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see the movie and not only will you want to place him in every sig possible you will be getting his face tattooed onto your ass.
his joker is legendary
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There willl never be a better villian.
TheHugeUnit - July 22, 2008 03:27 PM (GMT)
Hugo Weaving as the Riddler would be awesome though.
Marlinschamps03 - July 23, 2008 02:05 AM (GMT)
I so want so see that damn movie!
redsoxabstract - July 23, 2008 07:24 AM (GMT)
I got into this a little late, but..
AL MVP: Ian Kinsler, I guess. Josh Hamilton is a top 6 player in the AL right now, but his RBI numbers are bringing him a lot more attention than he should be getting. Look at the guys hitting in front of him. A replacement player would have like 55 RBI in that spot. I totally made that number up. Alex Rodriguez is about 100 PA's from being the easy choice.
AL Cy Young: Roy Halladay. I just don't like weird seasons like the one Cliff Lee is having right now, and Halladay has been nearly as good as Duchscherer, but for like, 40 more innings.
AL RoY: Evan Longoria.
NL MVP: Lance Berkman. Offense in the NL is awesome. Any of Chipper, Pujols, Hanley, Utley, and probably other people I'm forgetting would be the best hitter in the AL right now if they were in that league. That's hypothetical and weird though. Anyway, Berkman is awesome.
NL Cy Young: Tim Linecum. Volquez and Sheets are good people, but Tim Lincecum is awesome people. I just like him going forward, and he K's a lot of people, and his back does weird things in his delivery, and his teeth are funny to look at. With all three guys being so close in comparison, I think those things are fair points of judgement.
NL RoY: Geovany Soto. His VORP is twice as high as any other NL rookie's. And he shares a name with one of the big boss guys on the original Pokemon Red/Blue games.
Marlinschamps03 - July 23, 2008 04:20 PM (GMT)
Nice Pokemon reference there at the end.
YankeeNation - July 23, 2008 04:38 PM (GMT)
AL MVP: Hamilton
AL Cy Young: Halladay's 7 CG's sticks out to me.
AL ROY: Evan Longoria
NL MVP: Utley
NL Cy Young: Tim Lincecum
NL ROY: Soto
KeepTheFaith - July 23, 2008 05:28 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (redsoxabstract @ Jul 23 2008, 02:24 AM) |
| NL RoY: Geovany Soto. His VORP is twice as high as any other NL rookie's. And he shares a name with one of the big boss guys on the original Pokemon Red/Blue games. |
Bahahaha
hankaaron44 - July 25, 2008 04:31 AM (GMT)
I beat him with a Pokémon named
redsoxabstract - July 25, 2008 07:18 PM (GMT)
Rockshu - July 25, 2008 07:39 PM (GMT)
jaysdude09 - July 25, 2008 07:46 PM (GMT)
braveschopbraves - July 25, 2008 07:48 PM (GMT)
I would have Kinsler, Sizemore, or A-Rod over Hamilton for AL MVP. but I don't think anyone has mentioned Sizemore or A-Rod.
redsoxabstract - July 25, 2008 08:03 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (braveschopbraves @ Jul 25 2008, 02:48 PM) |
| I don't think anyone has mentioned Sizemore or A-Rod. |
| QUOTE (redsoxabstract) |
| Alex Rodriguez is about 100 PA's from being the easy choice. |
As it is, he would probably be my third choice, behind Kinsler and Sizemore. I give Kinsler the slight nod because of position, but that's a pretty slim margin. They're both at prime defensive positions, but the offensive output coming from second jumps out a little more.