Title: Possible Blue Jays 2008 Team
Rockshu - December 5, 2007 06:27 PM (GMT)
Assuming these deals get done:
Alex Rios for Tim Lincecum or Matt Cain.
Jeremy Accardo + Adam Lind + Curtis Thigpen for Jason Bay.
Sign Paul LoDuca to a 1 year, 3.5M contract.
C Gregg Zaun
1B Lyle Overbay
2B Aaron Hill
3B Troy Glaus
SS John McDonald
LF Matt Stairs
CF Vernon Wells
RF Jason Bay
DH Frank Thomas
1. Matt Stairs, LF
2. Aaron Hill, 2B
3. Vernon Wells, CF
4. Jason Bay, RF
5. Frank Thomas, DH
6. Lyle Overbay, 1B
7. Troy Glaus, 3B
8. Gregg Zaun, C
9. John McDonald, SS
C Paul LoDuca
IF Russ Adams
IF Joe Inglett
IF/OF Marco Scutaro
OF Reed Johnson
1. Roy Halladay
2. AJ Burnett
3. Matt Cain / Tim Lincecum
4. Dustin McGowan
5. Shaun Marcum
CL BJ Ryan
SU Scott Downs
SU Casey Janssen
SR Brandon League
MR Brian Wolfe
MR Jason Frasor
LR Brian Tallet
Outside of the fact we'd have no true leadoff hitter, that seems like a pretty good team. Another outfield scenario that is floating around is that we don't do the Jason Bay trade and instead sign Kenny Lofton (that rumor has picked up steam right with the Rios rumors), which would give us an outfield of Lofton in LF, Wells in CF, and Stairs/Johnson in RF. Lofton would hit leadoff, with Thomas, Overbay, Glaus, and Stairs being our 4-5-6-7 hitters. That would also strengthen our bullpen, as Jeremy Accardo would fall back to setup, with Janssen moving to short relief, League moving to middle relief, and Frasor being DFA'd.
jaysdude09 - December 5, 2007 06:32 PM (GMT)
I've read stuff that Jason Bay has been lucky with his averages....like he hits a lot of flyballs and they land for base hits in that spacious park in PIT. So I'm not high on his average if he joins the Jays, but his HR total are gonna be great.
J-Zone - December 5, 2007 08:40 PM (GMT)
If the Jays acquire Jason Bay, it will strictly be a PR move and he will stink up the joint like Corey Koskie did.
Rockshu - December 5, 2007 09:27 PM (GMT)
Dude, he's a lot better than Corey Koskie.
Koskie's best year was in 2001 (4 years before we acquired him), in which he hit .276/.362/.488 (.850 OPS) with 37 doubles, 26 HR, and 103 RBI. That was also the only season in his career in which he had 500+ AB. When we acquired Koskie we got exactly what we paid for, an oft-injured player who is mediocre at best.
Bay had 2 disgusting years in 2005/2006 in which he averaged .296/.400/.546 (.946 OPS) with 37 doubles, 34 HR and 105 RBI. He also did that in a lineup where the second best hitter was, well, I have no idea who else played for the Pirates.
Bay is also like 5 years younger than Koskie, so the chance of him being a total flop is minimal.
J-Zone - December 6, 2007 02:39 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Rockshu @ Dec 5 2007, 01:27 PM) |
Dude, he's a lot better than Corey Koskie.
Koskie's best year was in 2001 (4 years before we acquired him), in which he hit .276/.362/.488 (.850 OPS) with 37 doubles, 26 HR, and 103 RBI. That was also the only season in his career in which he had 500+ AB. When we acquired Koskie we got exactly what we paid for, an oft-injured player who is mediocre at best.
Bay had 2 disgusting years in 2005/2006 in which he averaged .296/.400/.546 (.946 OPS) with 37 doubles, 34 HR and 105 RBI. He also did that in a lineup where the second best hitter was, well, I have no idea who else played for the Pirates.
Bay is also like 5 years younger than Koskie, so the chance of him being a total flop is minimal. |
Jason Bay can definitely bounce back from last season as he is quite young still, but I don't know how quickly he can adjust to American League pitching. I'm uncertain as to how Bay's numbers will translate over to the AL. I also don't want JP to acquire a Canadian for the sake of having a Canadian play for a Canadian team.
Rockshu - December 6, 2007 02:52 AM (GMT)
Well Rogers and Godfrey are pressuring him, and I'd much rather have him acquire Bay for loose ends instead of giving up everything we have for Bedard.
jaysdude09 - December 6, 2007 03:20 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (J-Zone @ Dec 5 2007, 09:39 PM) |
| QUOTE (Rockshu @ Dec 5 2007, 01:27 PM) | Dude, he's a lot better than Corey Koskie.
Koskie's best year was in 2001 (4 years before we acquired him), in which he hit .276/.362/.488 (.850 OPS) with 37 doubles, 26 HR, and 103 RBI. That was also the only season in his career in which he had 500+ AB. When we acquired Koskie we got exactly what we paid for, an oft-injured player who is mediocre at best.
Bay had 2 disgusting years in 2005/2006 in which he averaged .296/.400/.546 (.946 OPS) with 37 doubles, 34 HR and 105 RBI. He also did that in a lineup where the second best hitter was, well, I have no idea who else played for the Pirates.
Bay is also like 5 years younger than Koskie, so the chance of him being a total flop is minimal. |
Jason Bay can definitely bounce back from last season as he is quite young still, but I don't know how quickly he can adjust to American League pitching. I'm uncertain as to how Bay's numbers will translate over to the AL. I also don't want JP to acquire a Canadian for the sake of having a Canadian play for a Canadian team.
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.270ish average w/ 35-40HR and a lot of walks.
hankaaron44 - December 6, 2007 03:26 AM (GMT)
Well the leadoff position could be filled, hopefully by Kenny Lofton and yes, an player should not lose his job due to injury but sorry Reed, time to pack up.
But if they don't get Lofton, but Rios is traded then I think we can all understand Aaron Hill batting leadoff (which isn't such a bad idea).
Rockshu - December 6, 2007 03:49 AM (GMT)
Dude, he definitely doesn't have the major league plate discipline to lead off. His BB/K split was pretty ugly last season.
hankaaron44 - December 6, 2007 04:23 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Rockshu @ Dec 5 2007, 10:49 PM) |
| Dude, he definitely doesn't have the major league plate discipline to lead off. His BB/K split was pretty ugly last season. |
Yeah but that was batting mostly sixth.
Oh hell, I suppose Matt Stairs in the leadoff spot wouldn't be too far off. They had a winning record when they did that.