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Title: AL Rookie Of The Year


SouthPawNYM - September 10, 2007 09:43 PM (GMT)
I'd have to say Pedroia, he has great range, a great glove & is very consistent at the plate. Bannister comes in a close 2nd...

Your thoughts??

Buchholz08 - September 10, 2007 09:46 PM (GMT)
w/o question, Pedroia gets my vote

Jayhawk Bill - September 10, 2007 09:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SouthPawNYM @ Sep 10 2007, 04:43 PM)
I'd have to say Pedroia, he has great range, a great glove & is very consistent at the plate...

Your thoughts??

Without commiting to a vote, you've left off Joba Chamberlain, Hideki Okajima, and Daisuke Matsuzaka.

TheHugeUnit - September 10, 2007 09:47 PM (GMT)
Brian Bannister, He brought a hole new hope to that rotation. Among league leaders in ERA, 3.46.

TheHugeUnit - September 10, 2007 09:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jayhawk Bill @ Sep 10 2007, 04:46 PM)
Daisuke Matsuzaka

DiKe has a 4.44 ERA......Joba has thrown like 14 innings....

SouthPawNYM - September 10, 2007 09:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jayhawk Bill @ Sep 10 2007, 04:46 PM)
QUOTE (SouthPawNYM @ Sep 10 2007, 04:43 PM)
I'd have to say Pedroia, he has great range, a great glove & is very consistent at the plate...

Your thoughts??

Without commiting to a vote, you've left off Joba Chamberlain, Hideki Okajima, and Daisuke Matsuzaka.

Again, I'm pulling a few names out of the air...

TheHugeUnit - September 10, 2007 09:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SouthPawNYM @ Sep 10 2007, 04:43 PM)
Bannister comes in a close 2nd...

I bet if you weren't a Mets fan you'd pick him. I said when that happened that Bannister would be pretty good and great addition for KC, but I didn't think he would be this good. I think this is going to sting like the Kazmir trade soon. Imagine a rotation of Kazmir, Bannister, Maine, Perez and Pedro.

Jayhawk Bill - September 10, 2007 10:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (TheHugeUnit @ Sep 10 2007, 04:47 PM)
DiKe has a 4.44 ERA......Joba has thrown like 14 innings....

Matsuzaka has two more wins than Bannister and about 100 more strikeouts...Bannister has a low ERA but ERA isn't everything. Notably, Bannister has had the best defensive support (lowest BABIP allowed) of any AL pitcher with 150+ IP, and there's nothing about his peripheral stats that suggests that it's anything more than luck.

On the Red Sox, I'd pick Pedroia ahead of Okajima ahead of Matsuzaka--but all three are viable candidates.

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But THU, Chamberlain has a 0.00 ERA pitching as a set-up man in what has been a close, come-from-behind second half for the Yankees. Yes, it's 14.3 IP in 11 games, but he's been put on the spot immediately--his value to the Yankees in just 11 games is comparable to that of any relief pitcher except Rivera, and he'll pitch another 9-12 times through the rest of the season. He's on track to be one of the top 20 relief pitchers in the AL this year in terms of value to his team--and that strikes me as a rookie season potentially worthy of ROY consideration.

This race is still too close to vote on, IMO.

zackboomer - September 10, 2007 10:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jayhawk Bill @ Sep 10 2007, 06:09 PM)
Matsuzaka has two more wins than Bannister and about 100 more strikeouts...Bannister has a low ERA but ERA isn't everything. Notably, Bannister has had the best defensive support (lowest BABIP allowed) of any AL pitcher with 150+ IP, and there's nothing about his peripheral stats that suggests that it's anything more than luck.

On the Red Sox, I'd pick Pedroia ahead of Okajima ahead of Matsuzaka--but all three are viable candidates.

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But THU, Chamberlain has a 0.00 ERA pitching as a set-up man in what has been a close, come-from-behind second half for the Yankees. Yes, it's 14.3 IP in 11 games, but he's been put on the spot immediately--his value to the Yankees in just 11 games is comparable to that of any relief pitcher except Rivera, and he'll pitch another 9-12 times through the rest of the season. He's on track to be one of the top 20 relief pitchers in the AL this year in terms of value to his team--and that strikes me as a rookie season potentially worthy of ROY consideration.

This race is still too close to vote on, IMO.

Uh no, chamberlian won't get it.

NateFizzle - September 10, 2007 10:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jayhawk Bill @ Sep 10 2007, 05:46 PM)
QUOTE (SouthPawNYM @ Sep 10 2007, 04:43 PM)
I'd have to say Pedroia, he has great range, a great glove & is very consistent at the plate...

Your thoughts??

Without commiting to a vote, you've left off Joba Chamberlain, Hideki Okajima, and Daisuke Matsuzaka.

It's a little unfair to go with an imported player who already have some pro experience, even though yes they are MLB rookies and other imported players weren't as good their rookie seasons.

TheHugeUnit - September 10, 2007 10:42 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jayhawk Bill @ Sep 10 2007, 05:09 PM)
But THU, Chamberlain has a 0.00 ERA pitching as a set-up man in what has been a close, come-from-behind second half for the Yankees. Yes, it's 14.3 IP in 11 games

I don't think he has even got the right numbers to be considered for the rookie of the year. Isn't it 50IP or 200 ABs?

Jayhawk Bill - September 10, 2007 10:49 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (NateFizzle @ Sep 10 2007, 05:39 PM)
QUOTE (Jayhawk Bill @ Sep 10 2007, 05:46 PM)
QUOTE (SouthPawNYM @ Sep 10 2007, 04:43 PM)
I'd have to say Pedroia, he has great range, a great glove & is very consistent at the plate...

Your thoughts??

Without commiting to a vote, you've left off Joba Chamberlain, Hideki Okajima, and Daisuke Matsuzaka.

It's a little unfair to go with an imported player who already have some pro experience, even though yes they are MLB rookies and other imported players weren't as good their rookie seasons.

I see your point! But check history:

1995 NL ROY Hideo Nomo
2000 AL ROY Kasuhiro Sasaki
2001 AL ROY Ichiro Suzuki

They're eligible...voters vote for them on an equal basis with rookies from AAA.

And, BTW, the first Rookie of the Year was Jackie Robinson...and he'd played a year in the very high-caliber Negro Leagues, batting .387 and slugging .626 while playing shortstop for the KC Monarchs.

Put in that perspective, honoring a guy who was locked into a different league due to circumstances beyond his control doesn't seem quite so bad. Japanese ballplayers aren't eligible to come to MLB until they're posted or they become free agents--there's a deal between MLB and NPB limiting their options.


Jayhawk Bill - September 10, 2007 10:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (TheHugeUnit @ Sep 10 2007, 05:42 PM)
I don't think he has even got the right numbers to be considered for the rookie of the year. Isn't it 50IP or 200 ABs?

Those are the maximums for eligibility...but any player with less is eligible.

But, hey, MLB.com is on your side:

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THE FAVORITES

2B Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox: He hasn't been as flashy, or followed as wide a hype trail, as some of his peers. But the little guy has carried a big stick since mid-June, has surprising range and a vacuum for a glove, and is a hard-nosed fundamental player who has helped rewrite the Red Sox culture. He has become a rock at a position that had been a Boston quagmire for years.

OF Delmon Young, Devil Rays: He has not hit with the power expected of him, which, safely assuming that it will eventually come with maturity and experience, actually is a positive, because people have had a chance to appreciate the totality of Young's durable and consistent game. While being the only AL player who has yet to miss a game this season, he has kept his average in the .300 range with five hitting streaks of 10-plus games -- something only one other rookie has done in the last 50 years (Ichiro Suzuki, the 2001 AL Rookie of the Year).

RHP Daisuke Matsuzaka, Red Sox: By any objective yardstick, he may not be as deserving as other first-year pitchers, having benefited from tremendous run support to win some of his weakest starts. But the bottom line of justifying the tremendous hype with 14 wins may be too hard to ignore. Unless the growing influx of established Japanese pros has raised resistance to their eligibility for the award, Matsuzaka also has history on his side: Since 2000, two other players from Japan have been AL Rookies of the Year, Ichiro and Kazuhiro Sasaki.

THE DARKHORSES

OF Reggie Willits, Angels: The Halos were floundering, unable to get over the loss of Juan Rivera to a Winter League mishap, until Willits became a regular and a regular thorn in the sides of opponents. With bat control to wear out pitchers, speed to unnerve defenses and a daredevil attitude on defense, he has become, at its most basic, the Darin Erstad of this Angels team.

RHP Brian Bannister, Royals: With 12 wins, he is second among the league's rookies to Matsuzaka -- with an ERA (3.46) a full run lower. At 12-8, he also is a winner on a team well below .500. The son of former Major League left-hander Floyd Bannister was the league's pitcher of the month in both June and August.

THE WORTHY FIELD

DH Billy Butler, Royals
3B Alex Gordon, Royals
RHP Jeremy Guthrie, Orioles
3B Akinori Iwamura, Devil Rays
LHP Hideki Okajima, Red Sox
LHP Rafael Perez, Indians


I'm just looking at Joba Chamberlain's objective value, knowing how the New York media will get things worked up if his ERA is still 0.00 at the end of the regular season.

My prediction: if he has a 0.00 ERA for the year, and if the Yankees are in the playoffs, Chamberlain will get ROY votes...maybe not first-place, but he'll get points.

Mims - September 10, 2007 11:04 PM (GMT)
Hm, I think a Red Sox will have a ROY winner. Weither its Pedroia, Matsuzaka, or Okajima. Me personally, I like Okajima. He's been a dominant reliever this year and for a great portion of the season had an ERA under 1.00.

And on Joba. I don't think he would get votes. He was called up in August, and I think that if he would have been in NY in July, and pitched regularly to a 0.00 ERA, then he would probably win it. But the Joba Rules are holding him back, so he won't get any votes unless he pitches about 20 more innings by the end of season and strikes out about 25-30 more batters, which won't happen.

BlueJaysfan - September 10, 2007 11:07 PM (GMT)
Bannister or Dustin...I haven't really seen much of Bannister though.

detroittigerfan28 - September 10, 2007 11:08 PM (GMT)
for me, its between bannister or young.

webgem924 - September 11, 2007 01:58 AM (GMT)
Bannister, his last 10 starts he is 7-2 and if you exclude his previous start vs the Yankees, his era would be 3.16. He had a 2.90 era in August. He also has a 1.18 WHIP.

There is no way Joba will win ROY this yr, he's been lights out but he hasn't even pitched 20 innings. If he pitched a full season, than he would be in contention

SouthPawNYM - September 11, 2007 02:45 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (TheHugeUnit @ Sep 10 2007, 04:55 PM)
I bet if you weren't a Mets fan you'd pick him.

Quite the contrary THU, knowing how good he's done this year for the somewhat punch-less Royals actually would give me all the more reason to vote for him. Has nothing to do with me being a Mets fan. & Yes that would be a sick rotation, now I get to spend the rest of my days wondering what if... :(

Marlinschamps03 - September 11, 2007 02:50 AM (GMT)
Dustin.

TheBossMan11 - September 11, 2007 11:04 AM (GMT)
Dustin will win........

Buchholz08 - September 16, 2007 01:25 AM (GMT)
I always thought that players have to be called up prior to the ASB and remain w/ the big club for the remainder of the season in order to be considered for ROTY status.

Mims - September 16, 2007 02:35 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Buchholz08 @ Sep 15 2007, 09:25 PM)
I always thought that players have to be called up prior to the ASB and remain w/ the big club for the remainder of the season in order to be considered for ROTY status.

No. You just have to not have a certain number of PA's or IP to be legally qualified as a Rookie. Like Dice-K. He was able to compete because for it because he never had any prior MLB stats.

I found the official stats.

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In order to qualify for the award a player must not exceed either of the following, prior to the season under consideration:

-130 at bats or 50 innings pitched in the major leagues
-45 days on the active rosters of major league clubs (excluding time on the disabled list or any time after rosters are expanded on September 1)

MrYankee - September 16, 2007 02:59 AM (GMT)
I'll say Bannister, but people overlook him in KC so it will go to Pedroia because he plays for Boston and gets more hype

uloseiwinhaha - September 24, 2007 08:07 PM (GMT)
I have to go w/ Pedroia, really only because I watch the Sox and the Yanks a ton because they are the only teams on TV near me, and Pedroia always pisses me off. :D

zackboomer - September 24, 2007 08:20 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (uloseiwinhaha @ Sep 24 2007, 04:07 PM)
I have to go w/ Pedroia, really only because I watch the Sox and the Yanks a ton because they are the only teams on TV near me, and Pedroia always pisses me off. :D

Quite a range of tems you chose from there.

DaeHan - September 24, 2007 09:15 PM (GMT)
Dice K is nowhere near AL ROY this year. I'd say it's either Bannister or Pedroia.

Iluvkm15 - September 24, 2007 09:22 PM (GMT)
it is going to be close between Bannister and Pedroia

uloseiwinhaha - September 25, 2007 12:52 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (zackboomer @ Sep 24 2007, 03:20 PM)
Quite a range of tems you chose from there.

I'm sorry, I dont watch much baseball other than that. I get YES and NESN, the Yanks and Sox channels, where I live. The only chance I get to watch other teams is on ESPN really. I mean, I know what teams are good and which arent and stuff, but I dont exactly know their rosters well at all...




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