All eyes will be on this team whether they are competitive or not. How long will it take Mister Bonds to Pass Hank Aaron?

Probably more then one season (though a healthy Bonds could do it in one). One things for sure, he will pass the Bambino before the All Star Break.

Their season will be on his shoulders. Win or Lose. Its a team game but when your Barry it becomes a whole different look.

o yea for sure.....as go barry so do the giants....lol..wuts the nae of their stadium now..its like had three names in four years?

I would not be surprised that, if he is healthy, Bonds will pass the mark in 2007.

Right now it's SBC, but it used to be named Pac Bell.... and before that they played in Candlestick... :wacko:

2007

never...I hate Bonds :P

maybe 2007, if he lasts that long.

a couple of days ago, me and my friends were talking baseball, and hes a huge Giants fan. He brought up an interesting point, with Bonds getting older and being injury prone, he thinks Bonds could be moved to the AL so he can simply be a DH, and possibly add another season or so to his career. I could see this happening, just not sure when. Not this season i dont think at least. Thoughts?

i could possibly see them move him. if they could get back someone younger and a salary dump.

I'm hoping he retires or is on the DL the whole season so he doesn't touch either May's or Ruth's records. He's a fraud.

Yup I totally agree.

However, Barry's determined to break the record.

I have no idea whay this guy has any fans, his trainer is headed to prison for steroids, he unknowingly took. (sure) He is an arrogant, racist, cheating (on and off the field), fill in the blank. Hank Aaron was a great man that put up with death threats while he approached Ruth, he was a classy guy, the type of guy that doesn't really exist in our era.

Ruth with all his problems was still more deserving than of any accolades than Bonds.

Bonds deserves to represent the U.S. in the WBC? Just a tried attempt now he is off roids, to pass the olympic drug tests and claim he was clean the whole time.

I am in the Navy, have sacrificed a year and a half of my life in the middle of the ocean on an aircraft carrier away from friends and family to defend and support my country. A country that seems to be going down the pooper, where's the integrity, responsibilty, and morals we should hold these people accountable to?

4 months prison and 6 months home confinement IS NOT enough of a penalty to steroid distribution(an ILLEGAL drug) and money laundering.

Good post...

excellent post

There GM said the only way Barry is moving is if he asks to be moved, and then they will comply immediately.

Like it or not, he's still a great hitter, roids or no roids. How can anyone be certain that the players before him weren't on the roids?

WE HAVE A WINNER.


best post so far on this board.

Oh this is beautiful, I hate Barry too. In fact lets bash all the Giants!!!!!!

lol..no bashing...Bsarry HAS NOT BEEN CAUGHT...so we cannot state the obvious caus ethere is no proof...just ALOT of coincidences..ease up on him fellas

Bonds probably wont be traded to the AL as much as it'd help him. He's the face of the Giants and he'll be there 'til he retires.

He'll break the record in 2007 if he's around for that year. Giants in 2k6 B)

The only people that would stand up for Bonds are 14, not old enough to have worked a HARD LONG HONEST day and get paid less than they are worth, and not old enough to truly appreciate the fact that parents are able to put together Christmas every year, let alone shcool clothes, birthdays, and put diapers on your little ass.

As i said i was the biggest punk-ass growing up, the NAVY straightened me out but VERY slowly, I am not only held to a higher standard than anyone cashing a MLB paycheck, I hold myself to a higher standard, and the punk-asses that work for me now. There is a certain point in life, i will say about 19-20 where you really decide what kind of person you are going to be, integrity, compassion, sacrifice.... these positive properties are gained by going through hard times, persaverance, and compromising events.... All of which Mr. Bonds has never been through, his God father was Willie Mays, his dad MLB past star Bobby Bonds. To consider how many privlages this guy has grown up with, and the person he has turned out to be makes me proud to have been on wellfare, dropping out of high school, bombing afganistan, drinking and driving, and achieving second class petty officer in the united states navy. these are the things that have produced a motivated, commpasionate, loving, person that takes care of all those around him, something a silver spoon would not have given me, i would still be in my parents basement, working some b.s. job and not appreciating anything i was handed while never achieving a thing. and you know what? i look back and am probably the most productive, successful, leader than anyone i should have graduated with. And at 24.

It pains me to not that long ago staying out on the baseball field til dark, saying i was ryne sandberg, or ripken as a kids' imagination will tend to do, and 10 years later knowingly see how bad sports and the people associated with them have become, we'd all play for free, or so we say. I now have 2 kids of my own, am i gonna have to go supervise them in the field, to let them now that the people they imagine themselves being as they lean over the chain link fence to rob a homerun, or swing for that same fence, that these same people you feel so enthralled by in ten years will break your heart? someone will rob you of your childhood memories, by cheating, by deception. Barry Bonds did just that, and was never a good person along the way, he was no Ripken, no Sandberg, no AARON.

I do not want to have to go through that with my kids, and that's who baseball is for, the kids. Some adults just have the compassion to love a game that has never loved them back, to realize the importance of a GAME that helps us grow up the right way, away from trouble. I will do that for BASEBALL, i will pass this game down to my kids, not the other way around. i am an active loving parent, baseball needs my kids more than my kids will need baseball.

Excellent post.

Being a giants fan I have to stick up for Barry a little. Like Sid said, nothing has been proven yet as likely as it might sound that he did steroids so wait before you start trashing him. I wouldn't doubt that Sammy Sosa and Nomar Garciaparra are juicing but it's unfair to them to start labeling them as steroid users before its proven.

Rafael Palmeiro on the other hand should be punished pretty badly. It's known for sure that he willingly took steroids and I'm for whatever punishment the MLB hands out. Same goes for Barry if they confirm his useage.

My stance on this is: do I feel Barry has been taking steroids? Yes. Do I know for a fact? No.

I can say that Sammy was too, circumstancial evidence. i will have a great time explaining why the statisicallly best cub of all time was a cheater to my kids.

yeah, that was definitely something.

finally someone that hates Barry as much as I do.

And last i checked Baseball did just fine last year without him. Giants could have used his help though, depending on a 50 year old man ha ha ha, i am 24 and don't rely on my dad (a 50 year old dude) for anything.

Is your dad one of the best baseball players in the game?

Fact is Bonds will carry this team do the division championship.

1. Steroids were not against baseball rules in the timeframe he was alleged to have taken them

2. Steroids do no improve hand/eye coordination

3. Steroids do not improve swing mechanics

4. Steroids do not help you identify a curveball as it leaves the pitchers hand.

5. Steroids do not improve bat speed. In fact there is much anecdotal evidence that it does exactly the opposite.

6. Steroids do not help you lay off a tailing fastball or curveball away.

7. Steroids do not help you hit the ball farther. Mickey Mantle hit the ball just as far if not farther than Bonds. And all he ever took was alcohol.

Don't ever call Bonds* one of the greatest ever agin. He was a good player before he beefed up his stats on steroids, but he never was nor ever will be one of the greatest.

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1. Whether steriods were on MLB's illegal substances list or not, steroids were illegal in the US. Do you need any more of an explination for how thats cheating?

2. Nobody has ever claimed that steroids better your hand eye cordination just as no one has ever wisely said that Bonds* is a terrible hitter. Bonds* was a good hitter coming up in the game, but people didn't start foolishly calling him one of the greatest until he started hitting home runs left and right thanks to the extra power he had because of roids.

3-6. Replace "hand eye cordination" in my point #2 with whatever argument you used in your points #3-6 (do not improve swing mechanics, do not help you identify a curveball as it leaves the pitchers hand, do not improve bat speed, do not help you lay off a tailing fastball or curveball away). As for your point #5, please give us some of this "evidence" that roids (or more acurately, muscle growth) slows bat speed.

7. Roids add muscle. More muscle mean more power. More power means more homers. Bonds* averaged 31 homers a season over his first 12 seasons, but since 1998 (when he allegedly started according to Game of Shadows, although I personally believe he started as soon as he went to San Francisco) he has averaged 47 a season for 7 seasons (excluding his 05 season when he had 5 HR in only 42 AB; if say Bonds* got about 475 AB, which is his career average ABs a season, he would have hit around 56 homers). Isn't ironic for someone who turned 38 and had never had more than 50 in a year hit 73 like Bonds* did 2001?

I will call anyone one of the best in baseball if I feel it fits the bill.

The fact of the matter remains that Bonds has one hell of an eye, there is no denying that. He was likely slated for the hall of fame before he started blasting the cover off the ball...so it doesn't matter, pre or post 1998, Barry is one of the best players in the game!

Yeah thanks to the steroids. He was always a very good hiter but not a legend before he started using roids.

If you read SI DP, please read the piece from Game of Shadows they had in the book. Of course, from the way you talk, you'd probably still blindly follow Bonds*.

Are you talking to me?

Timing and hand eye coordination are a big factor in how far you hit the ball, not necessarily your size...

No, sorry mpic, I said DP (DoublePlay).

And thats exactly the point I made earlier. Bonds* already had a timing, hand eye cordination, and all those other hitting intagibles down, so when he beefed up on roids, then he'd definitely hit more homers out.

Unfortunately, I don't have a subscription to SI anymore.

And don't assume I would blindly follow him, I just feel people are overly critical of him.

Have the Steroids helped? Definately, but it doesn't change that he can hit the ball, or that he has prooven to have that great eye that he has.

He was a great ball player before the roids. Well rounded, he could hit HR's, steal bases, and had a good OBP.

Oh sorry... I didn't realize what DP meant. I thought it was something related to SI.

Its alright, aint no thang. I guess DP could have been easily confused with Dan Patrick, since he is with ESPN. I didn't think about that.

Well I wouldn't expect you to be thinking about that.... *yay* *bananadance*