Ok for me
Pitching Rotation
1. Halladay
2. Burnett (if we get him)
3. Chacin
4. Towers
5. Downs/McGowen

Fielding
1st- Shea
2nd- Hudson
SS- Adams
3rd- Koskie/Hill(once in awile)
C- Zaun/Quiroz
LF- New Power Bat
CF- Wells
RF- Rios
DH- Koskie/Hill whoever is not at 3RD

Batting order
Adams
Hill
Wells
New Power Bat
Rios(jump start him early get his confidence up hopefully)
Koskie
Hudson
Shea
Zaun

This obvousily means the following need to be moved. Lilly/Hinske/Batista/Bush/possibly League

Hopefully getting in return
Big bat and a arm for the bullpen

This is obvousily most likely NOT going to happen.
JP is going to have to work hard to get a bat with enough power to make a solid contender. But hopefully he does and i support him know matter what. His track record is pretty good so far.

As we discussed under the Burnett post.

Rotation

1. Halliday
2. Burnett
3. Chacin
4. Towers
5. Bush (will have good year with run support)

Fielding (overall defence should still be pretty good)

C Zaun
1B Overbay
2B Hill
3B Koskie
SS Adams
LF Dunn
CF Wells
RF Rios
DH Hillenbrand

Battting Order (give balance to the line up)

1. Adams
2. Overbay
3. Wells
4. Dunn
5. Hillenbrand
6. Koskie
7. Rios
8. Hill
9. Zaun

Bench

Hinske
Johnson
MacDonald
Gross
Quiroz

Bullpen

Downs (long man/back starter)
Scheoneweis
Frasor
Spieir
Chulk
Ryan

Of course this is a long shot at best!

I can't even see you guys winning the wild card unless you step it up and get some bats in. I mean saying you guys will get Burnett is being optimistic considering the Cardinals have supposedly offered him a big deal, and he was a Cardinals fan growing up according to sources. Also, everyone and their best friend wants Adam Dunn so I don't know if you guys will be able to land him. I'd say you'll land someone else that's good in the next week or so but not both Dunn AND Burnett.

Rotation:

1. Halladay
2. Burnett (if we get him)
3.Chacin
4. Towers
5. Bush
6.(if we do not get Burnett) Downs

Fielding Lineup:

C: Zaun
1B: Hillenbrand
2B: Hill
SS: Adams
3B: Koskie
RF: Rios
CF: Wells
LF: Dunn


Batting Lineup:

1. Adams
2. Hill
3. Wells
4. Dunn
5. Hillenbrand
6. Mench
7. Koskie
8. Rios
9. Zaun

Bench:

Mcdonald
Johnson
Hinskie
Quiroz
Gross

Bullpen

Walker
Frasor
Spier
Schoenwiess
Chulk
Ryan


Trades: Hudson, Lilly, Prospect (Romero) for Dunn
Batista, Cattolanatto for Mench


Alot of big IFS in there but thats what i predict will happen.

We need to be a little more on the realistic side like comon we aren't goign to be gettin Dunn.

Ummm we offered him a bigger deal, and he is best friends with ur pitching coach.

Rotation: (very scary)

Halladay
Burnett
Lilly
Towers
Chacin (He isnt number 5 but he cant start after Lilly) both lefties

Bullpen:

Ryan
Frasor
Speier
Chulk
Schoenweiss
Downs

Starting lineup:

Adams
Wilkerson/Garciaparra (one of them hopefully)
Catalanotto
Wells
Overbay
Hillenbrand
Koskie
Hudson
Zaun

Read my thread about the infield logjam and it will explain how Hill will play 100 plus games.

Bench:
Johnson (platoon with Cat, mabye sub in for one of the new guys) (hopefully about 60 starts)
Hill (He will play about 100 games or more by just by playing like 25 each at 2nd, short, third, and DH.
McDonald (More of a mentor for Adams and Hill. Mabye 10 starts. Will be defensive replacement alot of times for Adams)
Quiroz (mabye 15 games max. Zaun is a solid catcher and Quiroz isnt ready.)

umm weres Rios? and If we get Nomar or Wilkerson one of them will play LF .... also J.P said Hill has proved himself and earned himself a EVERDAY job.

Put Rios in the lineup instead of Cat then. I thought that Wilkerson was a RF. My bad.

Please read my other post called "infield logjam situation". Hill will get his playing time. We have a very good situation if we keep everyone except Hinske. If we let go of Hudson, we will be alot worse off then we were before for these reasons:

1. We will have no insurance in case Hill or Adams struggle in their second seasons. Its not likely but it could happen.
2. We will have no insurance in case of injuries. (Koskie is hurt alot. Anyone could get hurt.)
3. We will have a very bad bench as opposed to a powerhouse bench.

J.P will take these factors into consideration and I am confident that he will make the right choice and not move Koskie or Hudson.

Hudson need s new contract...we cant give him what he desveres we could lose him for nothing in return. Sometimes you have to get rid of a player you like so you dont ruin your future...listen ODOG is my fav jay well Johnson is but ODOG is my fav starter.

I rather give up Koskie but i dont see it happening...COME ON J.P think of a plan.

Why can't we give him the contract he deserves? He wants to stay in Toronto and its not like we don't have 4-5 mil a year (estimate) to sign him to a long-term deal.

because we dopnt need him..we have Aaron now...he is a good player to trade because he is appealing to a lot of teams and we can get very good value in return for him

Im still worried that we won't get fair market value for him. Hudson has not reached his peak yet. I believe that he will have a breakout season and hit about .290 this year. He could be a Roberto Alomar type player for us. He will come at a fair price if we offer him a long term contract and he will be worth it. Orlando Hudson has done everything in his power to help this club and he deserves a contract extension. If someone actually has to go I would rather have it be Koskie or Hillenbrand or to have Hill return to AAA.

This is my lineup and expectations.

In batting order

ss adam, .270-280/9-13/70-75
lf nomar, .270-290/11-18/75-85
1b/dh overbay, .280-290/15-22/72-80(because of vw)
cf wells, .280-290/25-30/95-110
1b/dh hillenbrand, .280-300/15-20/85-90
3b koskie, .265-275/12-18/65-70(will ahve another injury but will come ack strong rf rios, .270-280/13-16/65-80(if he's with us)
2b hill, .270-275/5-10/55-70
c zaun, .270-275/10-15/65-75

Bench: quiroz,griffin,reed

bullpen
schowenwies, 3.50-3.20era/65ip/55k's
spier, 3.20-3.00/55/70
frasor, 3.50-3.35/60/75
walker, 3.80-3.50/50/45
downs, 3.50/60/75
mcgowen, 3.20-3.00/75/80(because gibby will want tog ive him time)
ryan, 3.00-2.80/80/90/35+saves

now that's a winning lineup. That can get u 90-95 wins, let alone we trade o-dogg,cat and prospects for more players that's how i think are lineup is now minus nomar, but i hope we get him.

You forgot Johnny Mac, Vinnie Chulk and Eric "crappy ass" Hinske

I think u can expect a 25/90 year from nomar....he is one talented player

im not sure he can stay healthy.

Yeah, his health record isn't that good.

yea but he has only had injusries the last teo years...he can stillbe effective and stay healthy...i know he can....playing everyday tho wont help it...he will ahve to do a lot of DH'ing to produce those numbers

The moment you've all been waiting for, my starting lineup:

Starting Infielders:
1B Overbay
2B Hudson
SS Russ Adams
3B Hill
DH Shea Hillenbrand

Back up: McDonald
Hinske

Starting outfielders:
LF: Catalanatto
CF: Vernon Wells
RF: Alex Rios

Backup: Reed Jonshon

Starting catcher: Zaun
Backup cather: Quiroz?

Starting Pitchers:
1) Halladay
2)Burnett
3)Lilly
4)Chacin
5)Towers

Releiver Pitchers:
Jason Frasor
Vinnie Chulk
Justin Speier
Scott Shoeneweis
Brandon League
Scott Downs
B.J Ryan

that equals to the 25 man roster :P


Koskie: I would trade him
McGowan: Put him down in the minors for another year
Batista: He's a hard fit so we must trade him, who will we get in return? I don't know. I would like him to stay as a releiver, but it would be nice to get a bat in return.

At the moment here's what I believe is most logical in J.P.'s mind :

Rotation :

Halladay
Burnett
Chacin
Lilly
Towers

Field of Dreams :

C : Zaun, Quiroz ( maybe only when Chacin pitches )
1B : Overbay, Hillandbrand, Hinske, Catalanotto
2B : Hudson, Hill
SS : Adams, Hill, McDonald
3B : Koskie, Hillandbrand, Hill, McDonald
RF : Rios, Johnson,
CF : Wells, Johnson
LF : Catalanotto, Johnson

Batting Order :

Adams
Catalanotto
Overbay
( acquiree )
Wells
Hillanbrand
Koskie
Hill
Hudson

Bullpen :

RL ( reliever ) : Schoenweiss
RL : Walker
RL : League
RL : Batista
RL : Downs
RL : Spier
RL : ( LHP acquiree )
Set-up man1 : Vinnie Chalk
Set-up man2 : Jason Frasor
CL : Ryan

Possibly on the block : Batista, Hinske, Walker, and money
Possible acquirees : Thomas, Piazza, Mench, Wilkerson, and Lopez

no way we get Lopez, and I doubt Thomas and Piazza as well.

ya i agree, but the thing is if we trade Koskie we should upgrade something...i would love to send maybe Koskie, Hillabrand, Batista and League to Twins for Maeur and Monerou (to names i think i mispelled) but another thing is we cant make to many changes or it wil ruin chemistry


dont forget chacin and batista are very close friends

It's actually spelled " Mauer " and " Mourneau. "

you have a good point of making too many changes will ruin our chemestry. I would rather Batista here, but I don't see it happening. Unless J.P sticks to his guns and doesnt trade him for a bag of peanuts :D

No offence 2 Hinske or Batista, but I'd rather we trade 4 an extra giveway day ^_^

Batista could be great as a long releif guy, since Walker isnt going to be around, we will need one.

Well didn't batista do great in the first half?

And then he got tired in second half?

If u put him in the long relief role it would help like nath said, because he won't be out as much as he was closer like say maybe 60 ip because i'll bank on it that our starters maybe besides chacin sophmore year, are doing great>!!! *bannanadance*

you and everyother fan says that give away Hinske and Batista, we all know Batista wont turn into Carpenter but he could easily turn into Escobar and Hinske is going be good, hes going to need alot of improving time with Jays but if he changes his team he will improve very easily, and once again fans will bash our GM for making that move.

I dont think u seevernon hit 4th..he is a third hitter...built for it...

why wont walker be around? i think i migh of heard him going to Japan or something, is that right?

I don't know maybe, but also isn't batista getting old to like isn't he turning 33 or sumting next year?

I think I heard way back that he would be guaranteed not be on the roster. He probably won't make the 25 man roster anyways.